Time Travel- A possibilty?

[Vegeta]

Wormholes. A phenomena of unknown origins. Also said to be Chronological Crossroads, or pathways to various points in time. Creating wormholes seems impossible, but only because no one understands the physics. But what if we [people] learned how to manipulate, or simulate wormholes? Since actual wormholes are random, it would require a minimum of Light-Speed to reach one in time to actually be able to traverse it. But what it we were able to maintain a wormhole? All of this is in theory, of course... Assume that the wormhole theory is correct for a moment... How would you arrive at a desired point in time? All things travel related consist of a Point A and a Point B. However, as common to travel, there are other roads you can take to arrive at other destinations. It is my theory that since wormholes are funnel-shaped in nature, that there is a Point A, and a Point B. Breaking through the interior of the funnel would (should) result in a Point C. If we were able to calculate WHERE Point B and Point C arrived, we would be able to determine AND decide which point in time we would travel too. The laws of Physics prohibit Time Travel. On the same note, the laws of Gravity prohibit flight. But alas, have we not made a machine to defy the laws of Gravity? So why not one to defy Physics? It would require a great deal of patience, and knowledge, but I feel it is possible. "But what about paradoxes?" Interesting point, but a paradox would be created ONLY in the event that a person/thing signifigant to that time period or forcibly removed from it. Going into the past and making a new choice would result not in a paradox, but an alternative time-line. No one would be aware that such a time-line existed, but no one knows that they already exist. Did you eat Cornflakes or Cheerios for breakfast this morning? In the alternative time-line, you ate whichever one you DIDN'T eat in this, the so-called 'real' time-line. (When dealing with Alternative time-lines, neither of them are real or unreal, merely alternatives.)

Your opinions on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

[Vegeta]

*UPDATE* This is a conversation between me and a friend of mine which touches more on the subject.

"Vegeta the Super: I have had some ideas...
wisezed: Hello friend
wisezed: Speak them, i am a fan of ideas
Vegeta the Super: And being into such things, I wanted someone else's opinion.
Vegeta the Super: However, due to the nature of said ideas, I need someone intelligent to answer.
wisezed: i am honored
Vegeta the Super: The central issue is "Time Travel".
wisezed: i wont be much help, but i have studied it to a certien extent
Vegeta the Super: Actually, I may have stumbled upon some slight ideas related to it.
Vegeta the Super: Those being "wormholes".
Vegeta the Super: Wormholes are said to be Chronological Crossroads, or pathways to various points in time.
Vegeta the Super: Creating wormholes is one of few problems though. But that is only because no one understands how they function.
wisezed: mhmm...
Vegeta the Super: Since wormholes are seemingly random though, it would require a minimum of LightSpeed to reach on in time to utilize it.
Vegeta the Super: This is all in theory, of course.
wisezed: Yes, all theoretical.
Vegeta the Super: Assume that the wormhole idea is correct for a moment.
Vegeta the Super: How would you travel to a specific destination in time? Well, all travel-related matters have a Point A and a Point B.
Vegeta the Super: But as we both know, there are also other roads branching out, leading inadvertantly to a Point C, which is a destination that is decided BEFORE it is travelled.
Vegeta the Super: It's my theory that the same holds true for wormholes. And since they consist of a funnel shape, there is a Point A (the opening) and a Point B (the exit)
Vegeta the Super: So I figure, that breaking through the interior of the funnel would lead to that predetermined Point C.
Vegeta the Super: The Laws Of Physics are the only thing making Tiime-Travel impossible.
wisezed: The current.
Vegeta the Super: But alas, it was the Laws of Gravity that prohibited flight, and we have already made machines to defy that law, so why not make one to defy the laws of physics?
wisezed: exactly
Vegeta the Super: If one could figure out HOW to create wormholes, and sustain them for a reasonable amount of time (long enough to pass through), then I feel that time-travel would be more than possible.
wisezed: Energy?
Vegeta the Super: Perhaps.
Vegeta the Super: It may be nuclear, but hopefully the answer will be less toxic than that.
wisezed: ...Anti-matter?
Vegeta the Super: Naturally, because of the wormhole atmosphere, one couldn't travel through on foot. It would be disasterous.
Vegeta the Super: Anti-Matter might work, but I have this feeling that if we could split atoms in a controlled way, we could 'tear open' a wormhole.
wisezed: why not?
Vegeta the Super: Exaclt.y
Vegeta the Super: *exactly
wisezed: There is a way
Vegeta the Super: But ensuring safety would be an issue.
wisezed: It is being studied in CERN
wisezed: Not really.
wisezed: It just needs to be kept away from matter.
Vegeta the Super: Not a BIG issue, but a small one.
wisezed: All kinds of matters.
wisezed: Even air.
wisezed: Else you have a bomb which could blow the vatican away
Vegeta the Super: Which is why a device would have to be build- One to pass through the wormhole, and one to isolate the field to ensure matter doesn't enter.
Vegeta the Super: *built
Vegeta the Super: I also had another thought at one time.
Vegeta the Super: Sonic waves.
wisezed: Sonic waves?
Vegeta the Super: What if extreme sonic waves could tear open a wormhole? It'd certainly be less dangerous, and far less destructive.
Vegeta the Super: Yes, amplified sound.
Vegeta the Super: Sonic Waves are the loudest sound known to man, but no one can hear it.
Vegeta the Super: It's too loud to be heard.
Vegeta the Super: If that makes sense.
wisezed: But wont it also have impact?
Vegeta the Super: Yes, which is why it'd have to be used in an isolated environment.
Vegeta the Super: But lets say you have a steel box. With a width of 5" on each side. And a device to create the sonic waves inside the box.
wisezed: Always with the isolation.
Vegeta the Super: The box would easily survive, because sound has no mass.
Vegeta the Super: Yes, isolation may be a key factor, honestly.
Vegeta the Super: Because sound has no mass, it can't destroy.
Vegeta the Super: BUT on the same token, its impact can shatter glass.
Vegeta the Super: So obviously a secure container would be required.
Vegeta the Super: Going back to the steel box... you create the waves within it. The box survives easily, AND, rebounds the waves back and forth inside of it, thus opening the wormhole even faster.
Vegeta the Super: You would have a self-contained wormhole.
wisezed: ...a self contained worm hole...wouldent it eat the containor?
Vegeta the Super: Yes, in the long run if it was sustained to long. But in all honestly, you WANT it to drawn in the container.
Vegeta the Super: Because if you passed through the wormhole, you'd need the container to get back to your present time.
wisezed: will the containor hold?
Vegeta the Super: But then.. you just gave me another thought...
Vegeta the Super: Hm..
Vegeta the Super: You see, the only zones of the wormhole that have the potential to drawn anything into it are the afore mentioned Point A and Point B.
Vegeta the Super: Now, what if you brought the wormhole's Point A out right at the edge of the container. It couldn't draw it in.
Vegeta the Super: And since Point B is to EXPEL materials absorbed, the inside of the container would be protected as well.
Vegeta the Super: This is how a wormhole works.
Vegeta the Super: Point A---> )))))))) Point B --->

Vegeta the Super: Like a river current
Vegeta the Super: Point A---> ()))] <--Steel Box
This is how the self-contained wormhole would look.
wisezed: yes...but isnt it still random?
Vegeta the Super: Note how Point B is obscure and not visible.
Vegeta the Super: At this point a device to actually make the sonic waves to rip the wormhole have been developed.
Vegeta the Super: BUT.
Vegeta the Super: My theory on arriving at particular destinations is this...
Vegeta the Super: (Current time)Point A ----> ())))*[point C]*)))) ----> Point B (unknown destination) Point C is the calculated destination.
wisezed: How in heavens would you calculate it?
Vegeta the Super: The point C is directly in the center of the wormhole.
Vegeta the Super: Calculating it would require extensive research.
wisezed: What would be the basis?
wisezed: Would it be studying the movment of the wormhole?
Vegeta the Super: For example, where does Point B lead to? How deep is the wormhole? Can the wormhole be adjusted to a particular depth?
Vegeta the Super: Because if you can adapt to the wormhole, and learn how to control the depth of it, you can remove Point C entirely and rely soley on Point A and Point B
wisezed: Why would there be a diffrent point b ?
wisezed: why wouldent all points lead to one point?
Vegeta the Super: Because you would have adjusted the depth of the wormhole.
Vegeta the Super: Let me give you another diagram.
wisezed: Basicly a Chrono Trigger End of Time.
Vegeta the Super: Point A ---> ())))) Point B (30 years?)
Point A ---> ()))))))))))))) Point B (100 years?)
wisezed: Why not end of time theory?
Vegeta the Super: By controlling the depth of the wormhole, theoretically you should be able to arrive at a destination of your choosing.
Vegeta the Super: Because nothing exists at the end of time.
wisezed: or does it?
Vegeta the Super: It doesn't.
wisezed: What if all worm holes are merely all portals to a junk yard of a sort
Vegeta the Super: It's the end of time. Anything that existed there would have perished long ago, because they would have expired.
wisezed: As i said, a End of Time
Vegeta the Super: Yes, but because it is the end of time, no life could be sustained there.
wisezed: Why not?
Vegeta the Super: Oxygen would no longer exist, because it'd have no reason to. Also, the earth would not exist to create the oxygen.
wisezed: i am merely saying that, insted of Time, Space shifts
Vegeta the Super: Space shifts could be the wormhole's Point B, yes.
Vegeta the Super: But I doubt that.
Vegeta the Super: Because a Black Hole clears most of the space debris.
Vegeta the Super: So there would be little left to get absorbed by a randomly occuring wormhole.
Vegeta the Super: brb
Vegeta the Super: Anyway, I gotta go now. Gotta get ready for work and all. Thanks for your perspective.
wisezed: Take care
wisezed: That was really good.
Vegeta the Super: Yes, it was enlightening."

[FrostXero]

Yes vegeta it does sound good ON PAPER! But so did communisum. And when something thats good on paper gets in the hands of a human its all :oed up.

I do belive it is possible for time travel to happen. I also belive it under no circumstances it should fall into human hands. because it would corrupted so much us humans might accually break the rules of physics and reality it self.

[Vegeta]

Xerox... a plastic straw is dangerous in the wrong hands. But we still give them out so people can drink through them (why someone requires a straw to drink from a cup is beyond me though). It's all about control. It's like.. you give a guy a brick. That guy has several things he can do with that brick. Use it as part of a structure, throw it through a window, smash someone's head in... etc. We can't abolish bricks because one guy wants to smash someone's skull in with it. You just have to keep it slightly moderated. The more important the item being controlled, the more control that is required.

[FrostXero]

Yes but with this because of the possiblity. Say with brick joe. Of course you gave him a brick, If he hated moe blough he could beat him down with the brick. Now if he had a worm hole at his disposal:
Joe could go back in time and scare the hell out of moes parents the hour they were supposed to have sex and beat the hell out of mr. Blough thus when he goes back moe would have never existed nor would there be any record of his memory!

Now with the stupid stuff that happens today it will come to the point where worm holes are abused and redirect history so many times that the fabric of time it self will collapse on it self!

[Vegeta]

Time can't collapse, unless you crush your clocks. The result of doing such a thing would be more alternative timelines. Take a look at the diagram.

This shows how Point A is a breaking point. The breaking point is the point in time that spawns alternative timelines. Point B is the intended timeline, and Point C is the choice opposite of the one you made in Point B. So go back to the Cheerios and Cornflakes thing. If you selected Cornflakes for breakfast, Point B includes Cornflakes, and Point C includes Cheerios.

[FrostXero]

Yes and that oint c would be the point of obivion!

If i took a worm hole and prevented the deaths of Stalin, Hitler, Charles drew, Abraham lincon, Benjiman franklin, george washington. and others poit C would be a chatoic place ideed.

Hell If We go back and mess up enough stuff point C may even not be where its supposed to. the point C you go back to might just bee 200 years after earth was destroied or something.

[Vegeta]

...you don't seem to understand what I'm explaining here, and don't even pretend that you do.... this is obviously beyond your 9th grade (...?) education. This, m'boy, is science.

One more thing though. I'll explain Paradoxes. That way you can see that even preventing the death of those people would not create a paradox, but rather open oppertunities for MORE timelines to exist.

Paradox: "An assertion that is essentially self-contradictory, though based on a valid deduction from acceptable premises."

Each thing has their own placement in time. By going into the past and preventing the death of these people, the only thing it may or may not effect is:
A. Government
B. Additional Timelines (as by extending their longetivity, perhaps they had offspring as a result)

Unless this person was signifigant to YOUR existance, a paradox would not occur. If you went back in time and killed your grandfather before he and your grandmother conceived your father, then you created a paradox. If you went back in time and killed MY grandfather in just the same situation, no paradox would occur because it doesn't affect your existance.

[FrostXero]

Yes thats what I was talking about. You could easily go into ones past and erase ones exist form ever happening. And if you abuse this (I.E going back to thursday night and get the lotto numbers before they came on.) The world it self will come into a shell of it self! Why kill a guy and get in trouble when you can go and prevent him from ever existing?

[Vegeta]

Nothing in this earth is perfect. Guns don't kill people. People WITH guns kill people. Consider time-travel a gun. If someone stable uses it, then there's nothing wrong with it. If someone corrupt uses it, then they will create alternative timelines. So no big deal. ^_^

[FrostXero]

Yes, So thats why I'm saying its possible but yet it shouldn't be done!

[Vegeta]

Why not? Guns're still bein' made. You're not making a very valid point.

[FrostXero]

But guns only take away ones future, not their entire history.

[Creature of Shadow]

First off, I find it to be undenyable that time is a navigatablt thing, even if we don't have the capability of doing so right now. If you view it as a different dimension larger than our own, then we can draw some kind of analogy:

The drawings on papers are 2D, yet we are capable of moving them through 3D space. It then follows that you can take a 3D creature and move it through 4D space (or 5D space, since I don't believe that time is the 4th dimension).

As far as going back in time and changing something, I don't believe it would cause the paradoxical effect everybody seems to think it would. I believe in parrallel universes: An infinite amount in which, when put together, constitue every possible outsome of every decision made or action taken. The fork-in-the-road analogy:

You are on a path and take the left, and this sets off a series of events. If you went back in time and took the right instead, what would happen? Would it cause the collapse of the space-time continuom?

I have created my own theory regarding this, called the Slide theory.

If you went back in time and altered a decision that you made, you would not change anything in the current universe you are in. You would simply slide your individual consciousness into version of yourself that resides in the universe in which that was the course of action that you took to start off with.



OK, so it's a little more complex than that, but it would take a heck of a long time to explain it in full, and that's the best summary I can come up with right now.

[Vegeta]

So basically, everything that I said.
So there you have it, so far it's 2-1, my lead.